Monday, November 4, 2013

'The Tea Party can't figure out why Republicans don't want Democrats to lose.' 'The people trying to destroy anything are Peggy Noonan's friends,' Rush Limbaugh on Noonan statements to Stephanopoulos. In 2007 Noonan said both George Bushes had destroyed the GOP

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In 2007 Peggy Noonan said the Republican Party had been destroyed by both George Bushes and conservatives were hanging around like 'battered wives.'
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11/4/13, "The Tea Party Wants to Win," Rush Limbaugh transcript

"RUSH: ABC News This Week during the roundtable. This is Peggy Noonan, columnist in the Wall Street Journal.  And Stephanopoulos said, "So, Peggy, is all of this a lesson for the Tea Party?

NOONAN: I think something big may be coming. A lot of people may be cruising for a bruising here. Big difference between the Tea Party now and say '64 and Goldwater or '76 and Reagan, '64 and '76 Goldwater and Reagan both wanted to seize and control and win over the Republican Party. The Tea Party now shows signs of not wanting to win it, but of wanting to topple it over, wanting to do away with it. That is something new in our politics. It's gonna get fought out over the next few years.

RUSH: Now, with all due respect here, I'm wondering if Peggy Noonan knows anybody in the Tea Party. I mean, if she's actually sat down and talked with anybody in the Tea Party, because what the Tea Party will tell you is that they are exactly trying to wrest control of it. They are not trying to destroy it. The people who were trying to destroy anything are Peggy's friends. The Republican establishment is trying to damage the Tea Party.  That's what's happening, and of course the Tea Party knows it because they feel it. So obviously they're fighting back.

The Tea Party wants to beat Democrats. The Republicans don't look like they do, and that's the big dividing line. I can tell you firsthand, the Tea Party wants to beat Democrats. They want to beat back Obamacare. They want to beat back some of this spending.  They want to get rid of some of this debt. The Tea Party wants to fix things. The Tea Party knows that in order to do that, Democrats must lose. And that's what the Tea Party wants. 

The Tea Party can't figure out why the Republicans don't want the Democrats to lose. The Tea Party is scratching their heads collectively and saying, "What is it that makes the Republicans want us to lose and the Democrats win?" That's what we don't see.  Face it, folks, admit it, we don't see a Republican Party that seems focused on defeating Democrats. We see Republican after Republican after Republican without any problem trashing other Republicans like Cruz or Mike Lee or take your pick of 'em. But they never talk that way of Obama. They never talk that way of any other Democrat. The Tea Party wants to beat Democrats. The Tea Party wants to win. They don't understand why the Republican Party doesn't....

And when it looks like some Republicans might win, if they happen to be Tea Party Republicans then other Republicans get into gear and try to make sure that doesn't happen

So everybody in the Tea Party is scratching their heads, but I don't know where this comes from that the Tea Party wants to destroy the Republican Party. They don't. They just want to wrest control of it because they want to beat Democrats. I swear, it's no more complex than that. The real curiosity here...I mean, it's a genuine stumbling block. It's a real mystery. Why do the Republicans not want to win?  'Cause it sure doesn't seem like they do, does it?...

Why don't the Republicans bring up some of these victims of Obamacare and put 'em on TV? The media wouldn't like that."

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In 2007 Ms. Noonan said the opposite of what she said on tv in 2013. In 2007 she describes conservatives as overly passive, by no means trying to "put and end to" anything, that they had long since been kicked out of the GOP by both George Bushes but didn't seem to realize it, were hanging around like "battered wives," and that it was "more than time" to try to "win back" the Republican Party: 

6/2/2007, "Too bad," Wall St. Journal column by Peggy Noonan:

"What political conservatives and on-the-ground Republicans must understand at this point is that they are not breaking with the White House on immigration. They are not resisting, fighting and thereby setting down a historical marker -- "At this point the break became final." That's not what's happening. What conservatives and Republicans must recognize is that the White House has broken with them. What President Bush is doing, and has been doing for some time, is sundering a great political coalition. This is sad, and it holds implications not only for one political party but for the American future.

The White House doesn't need its traditional supporters anymore, because its problems are way beyond being solved by the base. And the people in the administration don't even much like the base. Desperate straits have left them liberated, and they are acting out their disdain. Leading Democrats often think their base is slightly mad but at least their heart is in the right place. This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place.

For almost three years, arguably longer, conservative Bush supporters have felt like sufferers of battered wife syndrome. You don't like endless gushing spending, the kind that assumes a high and unstoppable affluence will always exist, and the tax receipts will always flow in? Too bad! You don't like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.

But on immigration it has changed from "Too bad" to "You're bad."

The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic -- they "don't want to do what's right for America." His ally Sen. Lindsey Graham has said, "We're gonna tell the bigots to shut up." On Fox last weekend he vowed to "push back." 

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff suggested opponents would prefer illegal immigrants be killed; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said those who oppose the bill want "mass deportation." Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said those who oppose the bill are "anti-immigrant" and suggested they suffer from "rage" and "national chauvinism."

Why would they speak so insultingly, with such hostility, of opponents who are concerned citizens? And often, though not exclusively, concerned conservatives? It is odd, but it is of a piece with, or a variation on, the "Too bad" governing style. And it is one that has, day by day for at least the past three years, been tearing apart the conservative movement.

I suspect the White House and its allies have turned to name calling because they're defensive, and they're defensive because they know they have produced a big and indecipherable mess of a bill -- one that is literally bigger than the Bible, though as someone noted last week, at least we actually had a few years to read the Bible. The White House and its supporters seem to be marshalling not facts but only sentiments, and self-aggrandizing ones at that. They make a call to emotions -- this is, always and on every issue, the administration's default position -- but not, I think, to seriously influence the debate....

If they'd really wanted to help, as opposed to braying about their own wonderfulness, they would have created not one big bill but a series of smaller bills, each of which would do one big clear thing, the first being to close the border. Once that was done -- actually and believably done -- the country could relax in the knowledge that the situation was finally not day by day getting worse. They could feel some confidence. And in that confidence real progress could begin.

The beginning of my own sense of separation from the Bush administration came in January 2005, when the president declared that it is now the policy of the United States to eradicate tyranny in the world, and that the survival of American liberty is dependent on the liberty of every other nation. This was at once so utopian and so aggressive that it shocked me. For others the beginning of distance might have been Katrina and the incompetence it revealed, or the depth of the mishandling and misjudgments of Iraq.

What I came in time to believe is that the great shortcoming of this White House, the great thing it is missing, is simple wisdom. Just wisdom -- a sense that they did not invent history, that this moment is not all there is, that man has lived a long time and there are things that are true of him, that maturity is not the same thing as cowardice, that personal loyalty is not a good enough reason to put anyone in charge of anything, that the way it works in politics is a friend becomes a loyalist becomes a hack, and actually at this point in history we don't need hacks.

One of the things I have come to think the past few years is that the Bushes, father and son, though different in many ways, are great wasters of political inheritance. 

They throw it away as if they'd earned it and could do with it what they liked. Bush senior inherited a vibrant country and a party at peace with itself. He won the leadership of a party that had finally, at great cost, by 1980, fought itself through to unity and come together on shared principles. Mr. Bush won in 1988 by saying he would govern as Reagan had. Yet he did not understand he'd been elected to Reagan's third term. He thought he'd been elected because they liked him. And so he raised taxes, sundered a hard-won coalition, and found himself shocked to lose the presidency, and for eight long and consequential years. He had many virtues, but he wasted his inheritance.

Bush the younger came forward, presented himself as a conservative, garnered all the frustrated hopes of his party, turned them into victory, and not nine months later was handed a historical trauma that left his country rallied around him, lifting him, and his party bonded to him. He was disciplined and often daring, but in time he sundered the party that rallied to him, and broke his coalition into pieces. He threw away his inheritance. I do not understand such squandering.

Now conservatives and Republicans are going to have to win back their party. They are going to have to break from those who have already broken from them. This will require courage, serious thinking and an ability to do what psychologists used to call letting go. This will be painful, but it's time. It's more than time." via bizzyblog

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Comment: Others have documented the GOP merger with Democrats and term today's conservatives "orphans:"

2/20/13, As Country Club Republicans Link Up With The Democratic Ruling Class, Millions Of Voters Are Orphaned,” Angelo Codevilla, Forbes
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“Increasingly the top people in government, corporations, and the media collude and demand submission as did the royal courts of old.”… 


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Comment: It's fine if Republicans find their ideology compatible with Democrats'. They simply need to immediately file paperwork making their Democrat status official. 



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