"Where is the story? York now quotes these obscure Republican congressman as somehow feeling betrayed by Ted Cruz? Please."
9/19/13, Free Republic commenter responds to pathetic Byron York article in the Washington Examiner
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"Come on Byron, you are either attempting to generate a schism where
none should exist or your trying to find an excuse to put words on
paper.
Every second day you were on Bill Bennett's radio show telling
the world that the votes were not there in the Senate; you admit
yourself that Ted Cruz all along has said that the votes presently were
not there in the Senate; you admit that Ted Cruz has said all along that
it is necessary for the people to put pressure on their legislators for
this to succeed.
Where is the story? York now quotes these obscure Republican congressman as somehow feeling betrayed by Ted Cruz? Please. Many of our Republican legislators might be stupid but there is none of them too stupid not to know how to count and it has always been obvious that with Republicans in the minority in the Senate and with Senate Rinos hardly an endangered species, that the votes were not there and are not yet there.
But the most annoying aspect of this article is the fact that the votes to defund Obamacare do not have to be there in the Senate. They have to be there only in the House of Representatives and once Obamacare is defunded, the entire equation changes. That is Ted Cruz's argument, it has always been Ted Cruz's argument. He has argued that the Republicans must make the case to the people that it is Obama shutting down the government, Obama is doing so out of ideology to defend his signature piece of legislation which is killing jobs, killing the economy, ruining healthcare, and ultimately ruining the nation.
In making that argument we will be making it to a segment of the country which already is a majority, that is the majority of the people who are already opposed to Obamacare. Once Obamacare is defunded by the House, the question is not why do Republicans want to shut down the government but why do Democrats want to shut down the government to preserve Obamacare?
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If the Senate declines to accept the Republican continuing resolution to keep the government open, and claim that it is the House Republicans who are shutting down the government when it is in fact the Democrats, nothing prevents the Republicans every single day of the week when The House is in session from passing a new continuing resolution which funds the government apart from Obamacare. Every day the Democrats will have to make persuasive logic out of the fallacy, they will have to stand reality on its head, they will have to lie day after day. Sooner or later the absurdity of their position will become clear even to low information voters and that will eventually change the dynamic in the Senate.
So far the mainstream media has put out as indisputable reality that by failing to fund Obamacare the Republicans would be proactively shutting down the government. That is a preposterous and untenable statement of fact. Force the Democrats to defendant it. Take reality to the people.
It is at this point that the left and the Rino's cleverly shift the argument. It is at this point that they say, "the votes are not there in the Senate" and "the president certainly will not sign a bill repealing Obamacare." This is not a bill to repeal Obamacare but to defund it. The issue before the country is whether or not to keep the government open without funding Obamacare the issue is not whether or not to repeal Obamacare. This puts Senate Democrats, Senate Rinos, and the president on much less advantageous ground. They are shutting down the government to deny the people a delay in the implementation of Obamacare when they have already delayed, exempted, or subsidized the implementation of Obamacare for themselves and their cronies. The Democrats position only succeeds if they can flimflam the people into believing that it is the Republicans and not they themselves who are shutting down the government.
Which side of that argument would you rather debate? Which side of that argument would be more comfortable for a Senate Rino? Once shut down the issue is not whether Obamacare should be repealed but whether the government should be kept open. Republicans want to keep it open the Democrats want to shut it down. Which side of that debate do you like?"
Where is the story? York now quotes these obscure Republican congressman as somehow feeling betrayed by Ted Cruz? Please. Many of our Republican legislators might be stupid but there is none of them too stupid not to know how to count and it has always been obvious that with Republicans in the minority in the Senate and with Senate Rinos hardly an endangered species, that the votes were not there and are not yet there.
But the most annoying aspect of this article is the fact that the votes to defund Obamacare do not have to be there in the Senate. They have to be there only in the House of Representatives and once Obamacare is defunded, the entire equation changes. That is Ted Cruz's argument, it has always been Ted Cruz's argument. He has argued that the Republicans must make the case to the people that it is Obama shutting down the government, Obama is doing so out of ideology to defend his signature piece of legislation which is killing jobs, killing the economy, ruining healthcare, and ultimately ruining the nation.
In making that argument we will be making it to a segment of the country which already is a majority, that is the majority of the people who are already opposed to Obamacare. Once Obamacare is defunded by the House, the question is not why do Republicans want to shut down the government but why do Democrats want to shut down the government to preserve Obamacare?
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If the Senate declines to accept the Republican continuing resolution to keep the government open, and claim that it is the House Republicans who are shutting down the government when it is in fact the Democrats, nothing prevents the Republicans every single day of the week when The House is in session from passing a new continuing resolution which funds the government apart from Obamacare. Every day the Democrats will have to make persuasive logic out of the fallacy, they will have to stand reality on its head, they will have to lie day after day. Sooner or later the absurdity of their position will become clear even to low information voters and that will eventually change the dynamic in the Senate.
So far the mainstream media has put out as indisputable reality that by failing to fund Obamacare the Republicans would be proactively shutting down the government. That is a preposterous and untenable statement of fact. Force the Democrats to defendant it. Take reality to the people.
It is at this point that the left and the Rino's cleverly shift the argument. It is at this point that they say, "the votes are not there in the Senate" and "the president certainly will not sign a bill repealing Obamacare." This is not a bill to repeal Obamacare but to defund it. The issue before the country is whether or not to keep the government open without funding Obamacare the issue is not whether or not to repeal Obamacare. This puts Senate Democrats, Senate Rinos, and the president on much less advantageous ground. They are shutting down the government to deny the people a delay in the implementation of Obamacare when they have already delayed, exempted, or subsidized the implementation of Obamacare for themselves and their cronies. The Democrats position only succeeds if they can flimflam the people into believing that it is the Republicans and not they themselves who are shutting down the government.
Which side of that argument would you rather debate? Which side of that argument would be more comfortable for a Senate Rino? Once shut down the issue is not whether Obamacare should be repealed but whether the government should be kept open. Republicans want to keep it open the Democrats want to shut it down. Which side of that debate do you like?"
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posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:34:04 AM
by nathanbedford
("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Comment: Democrats are cancerous to this country but worse are paid alleged Republicans like Byron York. His best words of wisdom did nothing to stop the destruction of this country and its delivery to the radical left. Therefore he's of value to the left, not the right. In any case this cockroach is unqualified to shine Ted Cruz' shoes. P.S. The Vichy government was eventually condemned as criminal.
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