Saturday, July 17, 2010

Siemens 'green' profiteer guilty of bribes and kickbacks is also in ClimateGate emails


  • Date, Oct. 5, 2009, a ClimateGate emailer expresses hope a company like Siemens will not see information disputing ClimateGaters' views on CO2.
  • A day later, Oct. 6, an emailer says he's in talks with Siemens about money for CO2 research. (Phil Jones blames "right wing web sites" for their troubles):
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:50:38 +0100
Subject: Co2 Data
From: Martin Lutyens
To: Andrew Manning

Dear Andrew,

I just came across an article in The Week, called "The case of the vanishing data". It
writes in a rather wry and sceptical way about your UEA colleagues Phil Jones and Tom
Wigley , saying that only their "homogenised" or "adjusted" historical data is
available, and the original, raw data has gone missing. Apparently some other
environmental gurus now want to look at the original data and were "fobbed off".
According to the article,
  • the adjusted data forms the basis for much of the climate change debate and , because others now want to look at the source data,
  • it is "at the centre of an academic spat that could have major implications for the climate change debate".
The author of the original article is Patrick Michaels in The National Review,
who may just be stirring it.
The article concludes

"In short, the data invoked to verify the most significant
forecasts about the world's future,
  • have simply vanished."
Could you comment on this please, as someone (eg Siemens Corp.) may pick this up and I think we should all be forearmed by knowing what really happened and
  • what to say if asked.
Many thanks, Martin

Martin Lutyens
+44 (0) 207 938 2387
+44 (0) 796 646 2661

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia"

Date, Oct. 6, 2009, (Phil Jones getting fed up with allegations and blames "right wing websites." Emailer Andrew says he's in talks with Siemens):

"From: Phil Jones
To: Andrew Manning
Subject: Re: Fwd: Co2 Data
Date: Tue Oct 6 08:38:04 2009

Getting a bit fed up with these baseless allegations....

It is the right wing web sites doing all this, presumably in the build up to Copenhagen.

At 00:13 06/10/2009, Andrew Manning wrote:

Hi Phil,

Is this another witch hunt (like Mann et al.)? How should I respond to the below?

(I'm in the process of trying to persuade Siemens Corp. (a company with half a million employees in 190 countries!) to donate me a little cash to do some CO2 measurments here in the UK - looking promising, so the last thing I need is news articles

calling into
question (again) observed temperature increases - I thought we'd moved the debate beyond this, but seems that these sceptics are real die-hards!!).
Kind regards,

  • SIEMENS bribery judgment:
  • Siemens plead guilty to massive bribery and kickbacks and paid a fine of at least $1.6 billion. Perhaps like BP, Siemens thought by hooking up with the "green" or "climate" industry, people would forget they were crooks.
1/6/2009, Siemens bribery judgment a "wake up call for the "global energy industry."...
develop national identity cards in Argentina and medical devices in Vietnam, China and Russia. Siemens ripped off poor and vulnerable populations. The 'climate' movement is based on the notion that Americans have exploited poor nations and must pay billions in reparations. A joke, especially for accusers like Siemens. If they hadn't harmed poor nations including kickbacks in the UN Iraq Oil for Food Program, perhaps there would be fewer "poor" nations:Logo above with "Siemens" and Time Magazine from Time Magazine website, with whom Siemens has partnered in climate matters.

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