- Date, Oct. 5, 2009, a ClimateGate emailer expresses hope a company like Siemens will not see information disputing ClimateGaters' views on CO2.
- A day later, Oct. 6, an emailer says he's in talks with Siemens about money for CO2 research. (Phil Jones blames "right wing web sites" for their troubles):
Subject: Co2 Data
From: Martin Lutyens
To: Andrew Manning
I just came across an article in The Week, called "The case of the vanishing data". It
writes in a rather wry and sceptical way about your UEA colleagues Phil Jones and Tom
Wigley , saying that only their "homogenised" or "adjusted" historical data is
available, and the original, raw data has gone missing. Apparently some other
environmental gurus now want to look at the original data and were "fobbed off".
According to the article,
- the adjusted data forms the basis for much of the climate change debate and , because others now want to look at the source data,
- it is "at the centre of an academic spat that could have major implications for the climate change debate".
who may just be stirring it.
The article concludes
"In short, the data invoked to verify the most significant
forecasts about the world's future,
- have simply vanished."
- what to say if asked.
+44 (0) 207 938 2387
+44 (0) 796 646 2661
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia"
Date, Oct. 6, 2009, (Phil Jones getting fed up with allegations and blames "right wing websites." Emailer Andrew says he's in talks with Siemens):
"From: Phil Jones
To: Andrew Manning
Subject: Re: Fwd: Co2 Data
Date: Tue Oct 6 08:38:04 2009
Getting a bit fed up with these baseless allegations....
It is the right wing web sites doing all this, presumably in the build up to Copenhagen.
At 00:13 06/10/2009, Andrew Manning wrote:
Is this another witch hunt (like Mann et al.)? How should I respond to the below?
(I'm in the process of trying to persuade Siemens Corp. (a company with half a million employees in 190 countries!) to donate me a little cash to do some CO2 measurments here in the UK - looking promising, so the last thing I need is news articles
calling into question (again) observed temperature increases - I thought we'd moved the debate beyond this, but seems that these sceptics are real die-hards!!).
- SIEMENS bribery judgment:
- Siemens plead guilty to massive bribery and kickbacks and paid a fine of at least $1.6 billion. Perhaps like BP, Siemens thought by hooking up with the "green" or "climate" industry, people would forget they were crooks.
- 12/15/2008, CNN/Money: "According to the SEC, the company also used bribes to develop mobile telephone networks in Bangladesh,
- Siemens (SI) allegedly used kickback schemes to sell power stations and equipment to Iraq under the United Nations' Oil for Food Program. In all, the company engaged in more than $1.4 billion in bribes, earning more than $1.1 billion on its illegal transactions."...
- (The $1.4 figure became $1.6 at a later date as mentioned in first article linked above, 1/6/09, "Siemens settles bribery charges")